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Why non-laminated Soft Shell?

Soft Shell fabrics were created by climbers in a effort to build a single garment with the comfort and insulating properties of fleece with the wind weather and abrasion resistance of a hard shell. Non-laminated Soft Shells are significantly more breathable, flexible, quieter and comfortable than Hard Shells or Windstopping Garments.

The Problem with Hard Shells

Hard shells are made with a waterproof and breathable laminated fabric that during high exertion outputs like mountain climbing do not breathe fast enough. Fabrics such as Toray’s Dermizax EV and eVent have certainly raised the bar in breathability but neither breathe well enough to move moisture outside of the laminate faster than your body can produce it in tough strenuous climbs. Because of this you’re left with a dampness and clamminess throughout your system underneath.

Besides limited breathability, Hard shells also limit mobility, restrict movement and are noisy, which make them almost impossible to wear on a stalk.

What is Soft Shell

Several pioneering companies in the early 2000’s, like Arcteryx, Cloudveil, and Polartec independently sought to remedy the pitfalls of Hard Shells, and their collective work has resulted in Soft Shell fabric technology. Soft Shells use sophisticated stretch woven fabrics with tight layered weaves and durable water repellent (DWR) treatments to guard against wind, rain, and snow in all but the most severe weather conditions bonded to a soft fabric on the inside such as a micro fleece.

Soft Shell keeps weather out like a Hard Shell, but breathes and wears like a fleece because there is no laminate. That means you don’t get nearly as sweaty during aerobic activities like ascending and you’re able to regulate your temperature much more effectively and remain comfortable during rigorous activity.

Besides unmatched breathability, non-laminated Soft Shells are fantastically flexible relative to their Hard Shell counterparts, fitting to your body without constricting, and stretching naturally when you move. You get a full range of motion without the restriction of a Hard Shell fabric.

Windstopping Laminated Soft Shells 

Laminated Soft Shells breath 3 times slower than non-laminated soft shells. Think of Soft Shells as a moisture management system. This is the reason we DO NOT recommend a windstopping laminated layer in a soft shell fabric for mountain hunting.

A laminated soft shell defeats the entire purpose of this fabric by inhibiting the breathability and moisture management ability of this garment.

Laminated soft shells will make you sweaty, hot and clammy versus a non-laminated softshell which regulates temperature and moisture very well. Besides severly limiting breathability, laminated Windstopping Soft Shells are heavier and noisier than traditional soft shell.

I hope this helps give you a better understanding of why non-laminated Soft Shell fabric make the perfect mountain hunting fabric. I look forward to hearing your comments and questions.

Jason

 

This article has 75 comment(s)

  1. Josh Wright

    Love the detailed explanations you give, but you have to feed the monster you created. Will there be more solids available in your soft shells?

    Doing a great job, but I am anxious and willing to buy more.

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Josh,

      Yes, Burnt Olive will be added this season as well as the Guide Pant.

      Jason

      • Rob B

        You’re gonna be doing your products in an olive?! That’s perfect J you must be reading my mind (or posts). Stoked for the new gear and season, just need to quit my job and rugby so I can hunt every day. Keep up the good work dude.

      • Josh Wright

        What will be the difference in the attack pant and the guide pant?

        • Jason Hairston

          Attack Pants are Stretch Woven. Guide Pants are Soft Shell. Soft Shell will be better suited for colder weather hunts.

          J

  2. Cameron Meier

    I do not own a guide jacket of yours yet but I have your guide beanie and thing will shed water all day long and will only leak at the seams after a long time. The DWR you put on your gear works great and I am impressed with it. Would it be beneficial to use the bemis seam tape on garments like the attack pants and guide jacket? Would this help from water coming in at the seems?

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Cameron,

      Seam tape limits the design and build of a garment and drives up the cost. Unless it is totally water proof it really does not make sense. Great question!

      J

      • Cameron Meier

        Makes sense… Thanks for the response. I am hoping to add the attack pants and 185 top soon. Don’t change the camo pattern btw. I love it!!

        • Jason Hairston

          Thanks Cameron!

  3. Loren Peters

    Will Kuiu ever be offered in a different camo pattern,i.e. green tones?

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Loren,

      Tell me more about the need for a green pattern? Where and what are you hunting?

      Jason

      • Bbenson

        The color vision capacities of deer are, at best, narrow compared to humans. The two classes of cones in deer allow for the ability to see color differences between short and long-wave lights, blue and yellow. However, they lack the photoreceptor basis for seeing differences in the color of objects that reflect middle-to-long wavelength light, yellow-green, green, yellow, orange, and red. Interesting when folks choose blues and yellows for arrow fletching. Ungulates, while lacking the photoreceptors for greens live in an environment with obviously occurring colors they do not “recognize”, yet these colors help us to blend into those some environments.

        • Jason Hairston

          Thank you for the detailed information and input. These types of comments make this blog special.

          Jason

      • Loren Peters

        Well I hunt everything with all weapons. I hunt the coastal rainforests, the sage and juniper deserts, and everything in between. The lighter beige in the current pattern stands out too much in darker envirnments. Lighter greens with some darker highlights such as Predator and Realtree Max 1 HD blend in better in most of theses areas. I believe that medium tones work better than patterns that are too light or too dark, However I dont think that one color or pattern suits all habitat or situations. Keep up the good work and innovations on you products.

        • Jason Hairston

          Thanks for your input. Your comments are very well noted.

          Jason

  4. Will Jenkins

    Great Post Jason! I love reading these types of posts it definitely prepares me a better as a consumer. Thanks!

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks Will! Glad to hear this.

      Jason

  5. David Brown

    Jason, I too would like to see different camo patterns. I bought a set of rain gear in the “frost” color. I really like the overall quality and design. The only thing keeping me from buying a lot more gear is the current camo offering. Thanks

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi David,

      What camo pattern do you like? Where and what are you hunting?

      Jason

    • Josh Wright

      Not sure where you hunt, but I deer hunt in Arkansas and go elk hunting in Colorado. I never had deer spot me this year hunting. The Vias Camo pattern is excellent if you are skylined in a tree. The pattern also was almost vanishing when I was elk hunting in the aspen groves of Colorado. The pattern is excellent.

  6. Brad

    What Cameron said, it’s too bad Guide jacket seams are not taped, Arcteryx does with their soft shells and has been for many years, as others have and do.

    There must be a reason for you doing this, but the hood is though. Is it to put us in the chugach if it’s raining hard anyway?

    I would like to try to tape the back seam at the least, where it starts leaking pretty quickly in a downpour, 10 min of a good Vancouver rain. Any recommendations for this, would Mcnetts seam grip
    Stick to the micro fleece?

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Brad,

      Thank you for your comment. I was unaware Arcteryx is taping their soft shells. Which jackets are your referencing in their line, I would love to check them out. I am aware of the Mountain Hardware jacket with exterior seam tape, but this is just cosmetic and not a waterproof seam tape. Let me know I really interested in checking these soft shells out.

      Jason

      • Brad

        Lol! Here I am trying to talk shop with industry professional and owner! Please excuse any misinformation, you would know your competition and lineups.

        I was just up in N.Van at arc’s factory Outlet and saw the “bravo”??? It seemed to be taped, not sure for water or wind. The venta is for sure. And at $450, as all arc stuff is way too pricey, even the bravo as a factory second can’t compare with the Guide jacket. Arc claims to have a proprietary way to tape soft shell seams??? This coming from their outlet staff.

        My team realtree Big Game softshell combo from Diablo sports, gore soft shell material and is beautifully seamtaped. It seems like it is done first then the micro fleece applied…. Again I’m no one to know how that micro fleece gets on there, but it does not leak at the seams!

        • Jason Hairston

          Hey Brad,

          No mis-information at all. It is a great comment that is kind-of challenging to totally understand because Soft Shell is used to define different fabrics that are not technically soft shell.

          Now I am clear what you were referencing. The garments you are looking at are a waterproof breathable Gore-Tex fabric with a micro fleece backer fabric. This is why they tape the seams. They are not a “soft shell” but a hard shell with a fleece backer. Gore calls them a Soft Shell but technically they are not. I developed the Cold Front at Sitka using this fabric and we have to skive or shave down the fleece and then tape it. The challenge with this style is that because of the laminate they do not breathe well enough (the reason soft shell was invented) and they hold water if they get wet and are much bulkier than a hard shell without a fleece backer. I hope this information helps.

          Jason

          • Brad

            These blogs are so informative for a tech geek like me. Really appreciate you explaining the process and rationale of picking your products. Makes them sell themselves.

            Yup that’s true with gore softshell, not near as breathable or light as Guide.

            Arcteryx LEAF soft shells are seam taped,some using tweeve durastretch and bravo using fortius 3.0, taken from their webpage, but they don’t list them as taped but they definitely are.

            The Venta is windstopper and is getting amazing reviews

          • Jason Hairston

            Hey Brad,

            I did not realize they taped the Venta. I am courious as to why? I will have to do some research on the rational.

            Jason

    • Cameron Meier

      Brad,

      Funny you mention Mcnetts seam grip. I have some sitting at my house waiting to seal a pack I have coming. Anyway I could try it on my guide beanie and test it out. If you want to know what happens email me. cmeier117@gmail.com

      Great info Jason!

  7. Darryn Epp

    These insights often make me wonder how the generations of mountain hunters ever survived in their struggle against nature. Perhaps we have been able to challenge higher, further and longer since this advance in technology. I can say I’m very glad to have access to the best possible equipment to enhance my experience! Great to run into you at SCI!

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks Darryn! It was good to see you at SCI as well.

      J

  8. Dustin Clark

    Jason,
    Just to follow up on the arcteryx post, I have one of their new venta mx jackets and it is fully seam taped. It is a windstopper softshell and is the best outdoor softshell jacket i have ever had on my body (very water resistant in all but a downpour, and breathes like a good base layer). Although it is significantly more expensive than the guide jacket, almost in the range of a good proshell hardshell. Keep making awesome gear. Thanks

    • Matt

      I have an older version of that jacket and I agree that it’s amazing. If you can handle the possibility of getting stuck in a downpour and not staying completely dry it really is the perfect shell. However, I don’t think that it breathes as good as non-laminated soft shells. I think the most versatile ‘system’, and the best overall protection, is a non-laminated soft shell that leans more towards insulation than wind protection, coupled with an ultralight 2.5 layer hard shell, like a Paclite, or an eVent shell. Glad that Jason pointed this out in his blog cause it’s something I came to the hard way.

  9. Bbenson

    The newer non-gore tex breathable garments are amazingly different from previous old school gore wind and or water proof garments. I have used a number of gore tex shells over the years and now having an eVent set I am using for winter mt. biking, snowshoeing, hiking, etc. I am amazed at the non-clammy feel these shells produce. Gore-Tex uses a hydrophilic monolithic membrane (water-attracting and solid); eVent uses a hydrophobic microporous membrane (water-resisting and equipped with tiny, tiny holes). The difference between –philic and – phobic is simply amazing in a hardshell waterproof barrier. One only needs to spend a bit of time in a pulse quickened aerobic activity like mt biking or snowshoe and then stop. This is much like making a mountain ascent for deer, elk, sheep, whatever the species or situation may be and then stopping to glass. Bottom line you’re sweating, here is where the difference in membranes starts, when in dry mountain air friends have watched me standing in a steam like vapor. Most waterproof membranes are not capable of moving moisture this quickly and efficiently. With eVents hydrophobic membrane it wants to repel or not combine with water. This non-pressure release of perspiration while resting after sweaty activity has to be felt and seen to be believed. Everything in nature moves toward equilibrium. Hot air moves toward cooler regions; moisture moves toward drier areas. So moisture with a higher concentration of heat and humidity (as generated inside a jacket worn by a vigorously exercising person) will move toward an area of lower concentration/lower heat (outside the jacket). The difference in concentrations drives water molecules, with their positive charges, from one hydrophilic (hydrophilic remember this is eVent’s characteristic not gore tex and many other membranes) polyurethane molecule (negatively charged) to the next. I could sit for hours on end in gore tex shells and still have moisture sitting on the interior of my shell, it will not move moisture like eVent. I would turn my jacket inside out to allow the perspiration to dry.
    Coupled with base layers that want to give up moisture; polypropylene, fleece, capilene the plastics, you have a layering system that moves and keeps moisture away from the wearer in incredibly varying conditions and levels of exertion. Bottom line, hard shells have moved in a direction that offers amazing versatility and comfort. They can really do it all, not to be the rebellious side of the debate but with the new membranes they far exceed softshells for a lot of our hunting needs.

  10. joseph Ewing

    I too would like to see a darker patern. I hike 1-1.5 mi of hills to deer hunt national forest in Illinois and elk hunt in Colorado. I agree that most camos are way to dark but I love Optifade open country.
    Also any hints as to talls being offered this year?

  11. Zac Cochran

    Jason
    Great write up on the different types of shell clothing! I can tell you that your soft shell gear is the most comfortable clothing I have ever wore. Just wish I could get my hands on more!

    I can relate to the guys that are wanting some green colors in a camo pattern. I live and hunt in Western Oregon. From spring till Fall our vegetation is extremely green. I think A bright green added to the Vias Camo would be a good blend for us western Oregon/Washington hunters. If you want to see pictures and video of our hunting grounds check out our website. Go to the gallery tab and videos page. http://zmaproductions.com/
    I also think that most people would like an option of camo pattern for there own personal taste. I know that if you offered a brown Vias and a Green I would own both colors for different hunting situations. Just a thought!
    -Zac

    • Jason Hairston

      I am curious to why you feel you need green when the animals you hunt cannot not see this color? If green was the best color wouldn’t natures predators come in green? Not trying to challenge you, just getting your perspective on why Green is important?

      J

  12. Matt

    Jason,

    Thanks for the info. What about a no frills shirt made of this material? 3/4 zip, long tail, maybe one chest pocket, and even a simple way to vent the pits… ???

    I’ve been debating a Guide Jacket for some time, just can’t make up my mind on what pattern/color. : )

    • Jason Hairston

      If you have not invested in a Guide Jacket you should. It is my go to for sheep hunting.

      Jason

  13. Mike

    Hey Jason,
    I am curious what your take is on the new Polartec Neoshell. Just bought a Mammut jacket with this material for skiing and noticed that it is much quieter and stretchier than my other hard shell jackets. Breathes MUCH better too and still beads up the water.
    Thanks!

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Mike,

      Polartec makes some amazing fabrics. I am a huge fan. Neoshell is super breathable and I get why they are getting the performance ratings they state. It is a great marketing idea for recreational uses, by reducing the waterproofness to 10K which is the lowest rating you can have and still be considered waterproof so they could increase the breathability.

      It is going to be hard to beat Neoshell’s breathability performance. Hiking and backpacking where you can get out of bad weather in a reasonable amount of time it would be a really good choice. Counting on this product for an Alaska trip where might live in the stuff it may have some challenges. I have not had the chance to test this product out.

      Polartec will not print on their fabrics so it makes it hard to develop a camo hunting line of gear. I wish they would!

      Jason

  14. R Aspden

    I too am holding off on more gear, waiting for a more “vegatation” type camo.
    I live in northern British Columbia and hunt all over the province, from mountian tops to treestands. I bought the Chugach pants to try before committing to the jacket as well. I spent about 15 days in the high mountains and was very impressed with the pants [and the Spindrift jacket] especially since the weather changed so often this last season. With the ease of off and on, I didn’t put off donning them when it was expedient to do so.

    I would love to see the same pattern with darker colors. A drab brown and dirty olive green, perhaps.
    The overly light color is the only thing making me hesitate on buying the Chugach jacket.

    • Jason Hairston

      Have you seen the pattern in the field?

  15. kendall

    Jason, great explanation, but if I may add just a bit. “Softshell” has been around a long time. Schoeller’s “Skifans” fabric from the 1960’s was a stretchy blend of nylon, elastic, and wool. Remember the stretch ski pants worn by the likes of Alf Engen, and Stein Ericksen?? Well, you may not remember, but I do, I wore them. They were softshells by our understanding of the term today.
    Well, the technology has certainly come of age, and you have done a great job with your Guide jacket and Attack pants. Initially, I was afraid the Attack pants were going to pill on me, but after nearly a year now with repeated wearings and washings, they are holding up better than I had anticipated. My guide jacket did yeoman service on this last year’s elk hunt, and if ever there was a test for the jacket’s breathe-ability, it was all the huffing and puffing I did in it this last winter chasing chukars.
    Kudos to KUIU!

    Kendall

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks Kendall for your added insight! I always appreciate you input. I am so glad to hear your gear is exceeding your expectations!

      J

  16. Pedro Ampuero

    Thanks for the explanation Jason, really interesting!

    Love this kind of posts!

    Pedro

    • Jason Hairston

      Glad you found the information useful Pedro! Thank you for the comment.

      J

  17. Tom Murphy

    Thanks Jason for the info on the soft shells. That is what sets KUIU apart from all the others.

    So burnt olive hmm…can’t wait to see it as I’ve been waiting for more solid colors. What about a card board color/Coyote brown khakis color option for a solid color?

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks Tom! Have you seen Major Brown? It is pretty darn close to what you are suggesting.

      Jason

  18. Mike Keller

    Jason, PLEASE do not change your camo pattern one bit. It is the best all around open pattern I have ever seen. It blends perfectly into just about any terrain. Thanks a lot. Still hoping you will consider putting TWO upper chest pockets on all of your jackets and parkas. Thanks a lot.

    • Jason Hairston

      Hi Mike,

      I agree with you on the pattern. I have seen this pattern in use in just about any environment and have found it to work just incredibly well just about everywhere. As you have seen, you need the light and dark contrast to make it effective.

      Jason

  19. Val Marquez

    Jason,

    I’m from Maine and grew up wearing green plad wool, today I have every camo pattern on the market and I find Vista Camo to be the best all round camo. It fits in perfectly with Maine’s dead leafs for ground hunting/natural blind bowhunting; which I do quite abit.
    Also, as mentioned elsewhere here great for skylined, treestand hunting.

    On another matter your SpinDrift jacket works great on my KLR motocycle it completely stops the wind even at high speeds.

    Val Marquez

  20. Dan Russell

    Jason,

    thanks for the informative posts. As long as the subject of camo is up I’d just like to add my voice to those who would like to see some green in the pattern. I think the vias is a great pattern, especially for it’s intended puropse. I hunt elk in western washington and in those woods it feels pretty bright (wore the chugach there for a week of pouring rain last november and the performance was awesome). The majority of the rest of my hunting is done in the high country of the cascades, stalking deer and bear in alpine meadows which are really quite verdant, and then hawaii in the off season. While the current camo pattern is far from a deal breaker for me I think it wold probably serve me better with a little green in it. Thanks alot for the great products and opportunty to give input.

    Dan Russell

    Dan Russell

  21. Joaquin d’A

    Jason, quite an interesting information shown here.

    Could you please advance which new solid colors on which garments are you planning to offer? When will be those ones available?

    Thanks a lot.

    J.

    • Jason Hairston

      The new Colors will be available in Late April/early may.

      Chugach- Burnt Olive

      Attack Pants- Burnt Olive, Charcoal Grey, Major Brown

      Guide -Burnt Olive, Major Brown, Frost Grey

  22. Kevin

    Jason,
    I wouldn’t change a thing with the camo. We hunters need to remember that the driving force behind Kuiu is to provide the best performing ultralight mountain hunting gear. Any changes should be only to make improvements towards this objective. Vias is an awesome pattern for the terrain encountered under the spirit and intent behind Kuiu. As it turns out, it is such great gear we are all using it for a much broader application…and it in fact does work great as an all around camo pattern in all settings. If you are spooking game, it is not the camo.
    I am not saying it is going to win any fashion shows, but the animals don’t seem to care..and some chicks even dig it. Don’t go making new dark blob patterns, mocha latte town colors, and insulated treestand gear, etc…at least until you fill the rest of my Vias camo wait list first 🙂

    • Jason Hairston

      Classic! No Mocha Latte Town Colors! Thanks for the support and cheerleading, that is an awesome comment.

      Jason

    • Matt

      I agree that the Vias camo is plenty. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t most game animals cue in on movement, not tones, and isn’t breaking up your outline what’s important, not looking like a fern? And I sincerely don’t mean to belittle anyone’s style of hunting, but it seems like a lot of the people who use Kuiu gear and frequent this site you traditional forms of hunting. Shouldn’t we all be in buckskins or wool?

  23. Jerry V

    I live in NW Oregon and also asked for a green phase of Vias, but have changed my mind. Been using it in the dark green woods here where I live since the first shipment and have been very impressed on how well it works. Been longbow close to many blacktail & a few elk since, they didn’t seem to be a bit concerned by the Vias camo, it still comes down to managing movement – keep Vias the way it is.

    Jason, the Guide jacket has been my favorite jacket, all through the fall & winter where a brown to work and a Vias one in the woods on the weekend — they just plain work great.

    • Jason Hairston

      Thank you for taking the time to comment Jerry!

      JH

  24. John

    + 2 on Kevins input above!

  25. Brian McElrea

    Good info as always.

    Amazing how well Mossy Oak & Realtree’s marketing campaigns have impacted consumers over the years. So many believe we as hunters need to look like tree-bark, a leaf, sage brush, etc.

    I’m curious as to why Visa isn’t ideal in “green” vegetation and heavy timbered areas?

    Every natural predator in the wild is a tone of tan/grey/brown. The ungulates we are hunting can’t distinguish color and Visa is a macro pattern which helps break up your human outline.

    New Mexico to Colorado, Montana to Oregon the pattern is great.

    Do your research!

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks Brian. I have found Vias in dark timber to be absolutely unreal. Thank you for the comment.

      Jason

  26. Cyril

    Which breathes better, the Spindrift or the guide soft-shell?
    (I used the Spindrift for my hiking last season and was thoroughly impressed with the breathability. I realize it has 0 waterproofness…but it certainly suited me well. The one day on our trip with poor weather, I threw my goretex shell over the Spindrift, which resulted in lots of moisture getting trapped on the inside of the goretex shell while hiking, it was passing right threw the Spindrift with ease…but not going through the goretex fast enough…that’s the one day I wondered if the guide soft-shell would have been better suited to my needs).

    • Jason Hairston

      Absolutely. Gore-tex does not breathe very well and this is why you are getting the condensation. I would recommend up grading your Shell to the Chugach or something with a higher breathability rating than Gore-tex. You will see an immediate difference in performance.

      The Guide Jacket not accumulate any condensation due to the construction of the fabric.

      Jason

  27. Cyril

    Meaning, if I had the soft-shell instead of the Spindrift, i wouldn’t have needed a goretex shell on the one bad weather day and wouldn’t have needed to dry clothing by the fire ghat night…but would I have gotten damp on the warmer days if I had the soft-shell instead of the Spindrift?

    I’ve got the guide beanie, and I find it gets quite damp while hiking, and it was hard to dry by the fire (I realize a head sweats more than torso and arms…but I’m still concerned the soft-shell doesn’t breathe enough for me)

    • Jason Hairston

      The dampness you are getting off of your beanie is sweat, not condensation. The Guide Soft Shell material will not accumulate condensation due to the construction of the fabric technology. I wear my Guide Jacket for all the but the worst of weather. I hope this helps.

      Jason

  28. Cyril

    I really wish there was a breathability rating (some measurement like with the chugach).

  29. Harley

    I understand that the contrasting tans and browns work best for ungulates, but people still want something in darker tones. Here are two possible explanations that resonate with me.
    1. I also love to hunt turkeys, ducks, and geese, and they see color quite well. Good gear is expensive, so it is nice if it can be multipurpose.
    2. The light color stands out to other hunters. One could argue that this is an advantage for safety or coordinating with your partners. But sometimes I’m going the extra distance to hike to a remote basin or some other out-of the way place – and I don’t want other hunters to see me. I don’t want them thinking “I wonder what that guy saw in that basin that is making him go hunt there?”

    I’ve read in other posts that the advantage of the lighter color is that it reflects the dominant color around it and blends in that way. If you are hunting in snow, the light color blends with the snow (or aspens, or sage, or dirt, or whatever…) Would a light colored olive drab not serve the same function?

    Thanks for including us in the discussion and being open in your product development.

    Harley

  30. Justin Starck

    VIAS SHOULD NOT BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR ANYONE.

    Before Vias I wondered why I used camo as experiences had led me to beleive that solids were as effective as camo I had been using. In other words, it really didn’t matter if I was wearing camo or not. However, I actually think I got away with stuff wearing Vias. I have never had so many animals pinpoint me to the point I thought I was busted and then go back to whatever they were doing within a short period. I think that the high contrast of this pattern could claim responsibility for those results.

    On the other hand, I am actually with some of you other guys that would prefer some green in the pattern. I would prefer if it blended in a little better to the human eye. To ungulates, the green foliage would look the same as the green in the pattern. I guess I don’t see the disadvantage of having green in the pattern. How did you guys get the idea that green because of poplular camo makers such as Mossy Oak and Realtree? Their two most popular patterns, Breakup and AP, dont have any green.

  31. Tom Murphy

    Any thoughts on a soft shell with Merino wool instead of fleece or tricot fabric?

  32. Tom Murphy

    I say its scent, sound, and movement is what will spook game. I once saw a guy successfully stalk turkeys wearing blaze orange. I don’t think a little green in the camo is going to help, instead I suggest finding a lucky hat or something.

  33. JR

    So much talk about green. Please dont. Vias camo is KUIU. Animals dont see green, the green patterns are ugly, etc. etc.

  34. Tom Murphy

    Jason, I was thinking a solid color like the brown on a cardboard box? The major brown looks darker.

  35. Alex Einspruch

    Hunted hogs all day today in the rain. My guide gloves and jacket and Attack pants kept me dry most of the day however I did end up quite wet at the forearms, cuffs and shoulders. The gloves ended up fairly wet as well. Probably would have been a better idea to wear Chugach today as the rain just never stopped, and neither did I. I wish a KUIU cap made from Toray would find its way into the line up as hat wet cotton hat got cold after a while.

    • Jason Hairston

      Thanks for the input Alex. If it is raining all day you will need your Chugach. Noted on the cap, it is coming.

      Jason

  36. Rory

    I have read about UL wind shirts/pullovers etc. that do not breath well. It is therefore, possible, that eVent is more breathable than the non-laminated UL wind shirts. Specs are not published that I can find on the UL wind shirts like they are for eVent and others. I have not seen any soft shell specs either for breathability. One question I have based on assumption is this: If a laminate can be made more breathable than a UL fabric, why can’t a laminate be made more breathable than a soft shell? If this was possible, perhaps it could be better and still block the wind for most conditions?